Transcription of Hypnosis Training Video #530

Cal Banyan: Let me tell you what, when Erika and I were talking about this before the video, we were calling it advanced age regression language or languaging and stuff like that. And what it really is, is essential age regression language if you want maximum results. So, we're going to really be talking about some nuances in languaging and some building blocks of languaging in doing age regression work. A lot of people they try to do age regression work and it just goes to pieces on them. And there's some fundamentals that you need to have in place to do that. All right let me introduce Erika. Erika is... when I think about it right now I just think I used to call her an up-and-comer and now she's really becoming a force in the profession as someone who's really making a difference. She's a 5-PATH®, she is a certified 5-PATH Hypnosis Instructor, she teaches my courses, she sees clients, she supervises hypnotists, she's like my mini me. She's really, really doing everything. In addition to doing everything that I do, she inspires me with her own insights. She started off in the world of computer science and one day she decided the heck with this hardware and software and all this stuff. She wanted to work with the most powerful computer known to humankind, the BioWare, the brain, that spot between the two ears, and she started looking at how can I start working on that and she learned about hypnosis, took a local hypnosis class, stoked her fire for the world of hypnosis, and she'd have enough to really get started in the profession. So, she did some asking around and she found out, hey, if you want to be really great in the profession, the best way to get started is to become a 5-PATH®, and the fastest way to become a 5-PATH® is to get the 5-PATH DVD set which is a recording of a live class. So, she did that very, very quickly. She was able to start seeing clients, then afterwards she even sharpened her axe a little bit more by coming to a live session and live course met her at the Nashville hypnotist. I was very, very impressed. And now today she is my co-host, she's a writer, she's a speaker at the convention Solid Gold Weekend, and I could not be more proud of a 5-PATH® than I am of Erika. How are you doing Erika?

Erika Flint: Hi Cal. Thank you so much for that introduction. And I am happy to be a mini-you and I'm inspired by you every single day which is just I love doing these videos because we learn more things just even right here as we are talking. So, let me tell everybody about you, but I have something that I want to say about that. Cal Banyan is the authority on hypnosis that actually works. And let me tell you guys about that because this is the hypnosis that you're going to use in your office every single day. But it doesn't stop there. Because the excellent amazing thing about Cal is that he's constantly creating new material. He's constantly updating, upgrading how your software is constantly upgraded. Well, guess what? 5-PATH is constantly upgraded. And where does that come from? Well, it comes from him and it comes from him having this amazing insight. So just by hanging out with him here by creating these videos in a very short amount of time, I'm already learning more things. So, I'm very happy to be a part of all of the things that he's doing. He is super smart. He is amazing. He's able to take these complex ideas and put them into concise bite size chunks that new hypnotists can consume and hypnotists that have been doing it for a long time can consume and put into their practice. Now, he's been in the profession for over 20 years. He's won nearly every single award from the National Guild of Hypnotist, which is the oldest and largest hypnosis professional organization in the world. He is an author, he's a speaker, he's a trainer. He's still teaching classes. He is the trainer some of the best in the profession, and he's the one that the experts go to when they need guidance, when they need questions, and I'm honored to be here spending time with you today. Cal, we're just having so much fun. So, let's get rolling on age regression. This is going to be great topic, right?

Cal Banyan: It is one of my favorite topics, and it's one of my favorite things to do is to talk about one of my favorite topics with you.

Erika Flint: Very good, very good. So advanced age regression language techniques. I was calling it language because this came up in a recent class I was teaching students were questioning some of the language, and why do we say certain things, and why do we do certain things in certain ways. So, I thought it would be a great topic for this episode to help everybody understand. When you're doing a technique like age regression that is super powerful, you want to be able to do it really, really well. You want to be able to do it expertly so that you can get the best results for your client. And so there are some specific techniques that make the hypnosis age regression process go really well. That's what we're going to be talking about today. So, the first thing that I wanted to start with is when we are. Cal, did you want to say anything about age regression before we start with the technique?

Cal Banyan: Yes, I do. I want to set this up. All right. Before we get right into the bullet points that Erika has to go through, I want to prep some things. I've seen people get excited about age regression, read books on it, take a class here and there, and blah, blah, blah, and then absolutely fail because they didn't lay the groundwork. You have to have an excellent pre-talk. You have to move fears and misconceptions about hypnosis, or they will not go deep enough. You must have a level of at least stage four on the Harry Aaron scale, I call that the threshold of somnambulism, you must have some level of somnambulism because an age regression is a hypnotic LEE-induced hallucination. There're going to be tasting, smelling, feeling things that don't exist in the present. So, hallucination. So, you must do your preparation work excellently. You are way better off if you use an induction that is designed to take someone into somnambulism. The two main inductions I use all the time ... well, actually I use three inductions all the time for age regression. I do the 5-PATH induction. It was designed to take someone quickly in the age regression into somnambulism, covertly testing for somnambulism. And that is the 5-PATH Induction. You can get that on 5-PathInduction.com. I gave it to the world. Anyone can use it. You have to buy it from here. Also, there's the Eight Word Induction, look that up EightWordInduction.com, and you're going to find out that that can take someone to somnambulism very, very quickly. And the third is a Time Tunneling Technique Induction. You got to have your inductions, you got to have your convinces in place, and it doesn't take long. These are short instantaneous or rapid inductions. And then, when you do that age regression, if you don't have a somnambulism, you don't have age regression, you have hypermnesia at best, which is improved memory. Age regression is a real vivification, a reliving of the event. Okay, I got that off my chest.

Erika Flint: Okay, thank you very much Cal. So, part of the technique is we're going to ask our clients or brand, this is one way that we do this. There's a lot to this and Cal said in the previous video there's so many videos that we have on age regression. So, we're zooming in on one particular area today, sign up on CalBanyan.com for all the videos there. You can get all the details on all the age regression techniques, but today is I don't want you guys to get confused or overwhelmed here. In age regression, you're going to have your client bring up a feeling that has everything to do with why they're coming in to see you and then you're going to ask them to follow up back to a previous time that they felt the exact same way. Right Cal?

Cal Banyan: Yes, I'm writing some notes down here as you're talking. All right. Absolutely. Absolutely.

Erika Flint: Very, very good. So, then what's going to happen? Alright. So, it goes something like this 5, 4, 3 younger, smaller two, be there. Now, we say be there, we want our client to be revivified. The first thing that we're going to do when we say be there is we're going to do something called the gestalt which is all about setting the stage. First impression. Is it daytime or nighttime? You're going to wait for their response. First impression. Are you indoors or out? Let me just pause right there because one thing that I want to say, I'm going to pass it to you Cal? To me, I've always thought of this, like I'm sitting in a play, and the curtains open and like the light start to come on. And so, it's almost like you're trying to build the scene in your mind. And I think that's what's happening in the minds of our clients. They're really trying to build. We're trying to help them build that scene in their mind by asking them these questions at the beginning. So what else do you want to say about this gestalt and how important this aspect is to age regression.

Cal Banyan: A little bit of history on this, the daytime, nighttime, indoors, outdoors, alone or with someone is I don't know who originated that. I know that Jerry Kind used to teach it, all the stuff that I really liked the Jerry Kind teach, taught really came from and so it may go back there, but as with my psychology background, I really saw that as we're setting up the gestalt, the background, the setting for the age regression. Most people are doing age regression you can't just say 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 be there and boom its 3D technicolor vivid everything and so it gives them time to kind of let that stage be set. And it goes from the most general to more specific, is it daytime or nighttime? That's very, very general. Are you indoors or outdoors? So, bit more specific, and then are you alone or with someone and that now if there's another actor on that stage, boom, they appear right there with them. Please continue.

Erika Flint: All right. Very good. And there's another piece of language since we're talking about language here today, that is important there, first impression. Doesn't have to be exactly right. Just in about one second. What's your first impression here about this? Is it daytime or night? So, with first impression, that helps our clients understand that we really do want to understand what their first impression about this situation is. We don't want them sitting there and considering it or thinking about it too long, right Cal?

Cal Banyan: Right. Because what will happen is, they'll start filtering, they'll start filtering out this and they want to be exactly right. And so, I'll say, "Quickly, first impression 1, 2, 3, daytime, nighttime." And then I think you want to talk about some of the prep work we'll do with some people too.

Erika Flint: Right. So for some folks that we consider to be extremely analytical or maybe even a little bit of the perfectionist as we talked about in the previous episode, we can do something that is a preparation for that particular client, and this is usually done outside of hypnosis, either in the part of the hypnosis pre-talk, or perhaps even right as you're moving into hypnosis before you do the hypnotic induction. And you can say something like this. "Today's session is going to be even more interactive. I'm going to be asking you questions, and I want you to respond with your very first impression. So, I'm going to ask you a few questions right now. Doesn't have to be the right answer. Just your first impression. All right, here we go. Black or white?" And they'll answer red or yellow, up or down, car or truck, cat or dog, sun or moon, you can come up with your own questions there if you'd like. And so, we're just kind of getting them accustomed to answering quickly. After that I'll say, "So if during the session you hear me say just your first impression, you'll know that I mean I really just want your first impression. It doesn't have to be exactly right. Is that okay with you?" That's just a little bit of preparation there, a little bit in the setup. It's kind of like how we want to do the really awesome hypnosis pre-talk to get them set up. This is about that as well. Anything else you want to add to that Cal?

Cal Banyan: Well, yeah, there's some cool things you can do with that, and this really only takes about a minute. And so, if I'm with someone that I'm noticing that they're just like taking a long time to respond, they're really overthinking things, then I'll say, "Hey, I want to run something by you that we're going to be doing in the session." And I'll say, "We're going to do an exercise here. The object of this exercise is to respond quickly. The answer that you give me does not make it right. The only thing that makes it right is if you can answer within about a second. Is that okay with you?" "Yes." And then I'll go through some questions like she said, like Erika said, black, white, up, down, green, blue, hot, cold. But then I'll actually say the gestalt questions too, so they have practice answering them too, daytime, nighttime, indoors or outdoors, alone or with someone. And I say, "When I ask you questions like that in the hypnosis session, would you be willing to answer them that way?" "Yes." Boom. Now I got contract, agreement, expectation, proof that they can do it. Now, they can't say, "I can't respond that quickly." I know they can, because they just did it at the desk. How's that?

Erika Flint: Perfect. I love that. That's very good. And so, it just helps the client when we're in that situation, give me your first impression, and then they know exactly what to do. Right? Yes. So that takes us then to the next part which is the Fab Five. So, this is really the crux of why I wanted to do this episode here today, because a couple questions came up when I was recently teaching and one of the questions was the distinction between one of the Fab Five questions. Now, the distinction and let me see, Cal, do you want me to do all Fab Five questions first, or should I just dive right in?

Cal Banyan: Let's do the Fab Five all of them first and then we'll tweak that one you want to tweak but let me introduce something first. Okay. So, like I said, I'm in this profession because of age regression, that's what turned me on. So, I started reading everything I could about age regression. I was listening to audios of people doing age regression, watching videos of age regression, and I was everything. If they had age regression tweets back then I'd be tweeting about age regression, reading those. And I noticed that people were spending a lot of time on stuff that didn't matter. You see, when you get to the end of the regression, then you know what matters. In the middle of the regression back in the day before the Fab Five, people didn't know what to spend time on and it's been way too much time on stuff that didn't matter. And so, I believe that being a professional involves being efficient and effective. And so, through observation and doing lots and lots of age regression sessions, I came up with a Fab Five. These are the minimum amount of information that you must have from each event that you visit. There's a couple of other things that are optional, but this is it. And you can get this information very quickly. I mean, you can get it in a minute, minute and a half, and then if you're not at the ISC yet, Initial Sensitizing Event where it all began, you can just keep drilling back. So, if you've got 10 events to go through, and if you spend 10 minutes on each one, now you're way over an hour and a half just trying to find the ISC, where if you're spending only admitted on each one, then in 10 minutes, here at ISC. So, it's a tremendous, tremendous thing. We want to go to those one by one. Proceed.

Erika Flint: Very good. Thank you. So, the very first question, they can go in certain orders, but I'll let you address that Cal. But the first one that I'm going to go through is what's happening? You're going to do the gestalt, daytime nighttime, indoors, outdoors, alone or with someone, if somebody there, who's there, okay with mom, what's happening? That's the first question. Cal, interrupt me anytime you'd like.

Cal Banyan: Let me just say the Fab Five and then we'll put the bones out there and then we can put the meat on the bones. How does that sound? So, the Fab Five are, what's happening, just like Erika said, daytime or nighttime, indoors or outdoors, alone or with someone. Boom! There they are. They're doing something. If they're with someone all through the gestalt by saying, who's there? Alright, then what's happening? What does that make you think? Or what are you thinking? Hey, how's that make you feel or how are you feeling? Or how do you feel about that? How old are you? And then, is it familiar or new? Now, that's the Fab Five: what's happening, what are you thinking, feeling, how old are you, familiar or new. Now, I like to put in their age, how old are you as soon as possible, but it doesn't make sense to do it until I find out what's happening. So typical order for me would be slightly different than what I gave you. And that is what's happening, and they'll say, "Oh, I'm riding my bicycle." And I'd say, "Okay, riding your bicycle. How old are you?" "I'm five." "Okay, five, riding your bicycle. What are you thinking about riding the bicycle", or, you know, whatever the event is that we're working on. All right now give it back to you.

Erika Flint: All right. Very good. You asked the age second. Okay, cool. I like that. I love putting the age when we're talking to our clients because it helps them to understand there's no question, who we're talking to. We are talking to five who's riding his or her bicycle. There's no question in the minds of our clients who we are referring to at that point. Okay. Five riding her bicycle. Okay, so one of the things that I wanted to come up with here today was the distinction between how does that make you feel and how are you feeling? The reason I'm bringing this up is because it's come up in my classes a number of times where students have been using the language, how are you feeling, instead of how does that make you feel. And so, I wanted to bring this up today so that people could understand the distinction between those two and how one is preferred usually, so that we get better results for our client. So, Cal do you want to address that because he has some really cool things to say before the session here, before the recording session on this topic.

Cal Banyan: Okay, so we got to keep in mind that our client comes in for something. For example, they might come in for fear of heights, so they might come in for perfectionism, or they might come in for smoking or eating too much. And when we do the age regression, we want to bring up the one feeling most closely associated with the problems, where we used to say something like in a moment count from one to five. And the one feeling it has everything to do with why you have this, whatever problem comes up as strong as powerful as ever has. And from that we can do Affect Bridge, or we can do Time Tunneling Technique. So, it's important that we find the emotion most closely associated with the behavior or the symptom or whatever it is we're working on. And then once we find it, we don't want to lose it, or we don't want to bring in a lot of extraneous feelings. Oh gosh, I'm just itching to give you guys an insider technique. Is that okay Erika?

Erika Flint: Yes please, that's what we are here for.

Cal Banyan: So, a basic fundamental way to do age regression is get somnambulism and then you bring up the feeling associated with the problem, and then follow it back. Do not ask them what the feeling is when you bring it up in this because they're in your office, they're hypnotized, and to bring up that feeling, people may misname it. So, do not. That's why we got the Fab Five. Once we bring them back to an earlier event, then we find out what's happening, what are you thinking, what are you feeling, how old are you, and is it familiar or new. Now, there is a hack and that is I can just tell them to ... I'm going to count this is Date Time Regression. Date Time Regression hack for age regression leading into Affect Bridge or Time Tunnel, and that is, I'm going to count from five ... so here, they are in somnambulism. I don't bring up the feeling. I say a moment I count from five back to one and it's going to be a time when you are blanking, whatever it was, you are about to drink, or you're about to bite your nails, or you're about to have to speak in front of public and you're having that fear, or whatever it is. So, I just do a Date Time Regression to a time when they were having that experience. And this can be kind of a faster, more effective way than having them come up in the chair that day that they're visiting you. So, for example, I'll say in the pre-hypnosis interview, I'll say, give me a thumbnail sketch of the history of the problem, blah, blah, blah, blah, and I would simply say, so ones, like, did this happen last week? Have you had this problem lately? And they said, "Well, of course." And I'll say, "Well, when was that?" And they go like, "Yesterday." Okay, boom, now I know I can regress to yesterday when they're having the problem and everything, I need to know about the problem is there. So, I would say that got them in somnambulism and we count for five back to one, we're going to go back to that time you told me you're having the problem yesterday. Here we go 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 be there, is it daytime or nighttime, indoors, outdoors, alone or with someone, and then what happens is we really get the mind of the client who's in my chair out of the way and I get into the frame of the mind of the person who's experiencing the problem. And so right then I find out what's happening, what are they thinking, what are they feeling, now the how old are you is not important in this case, because, I mean, it's just yesterday, and then is that feeling familiar or new, and then we can regress further on it. What do you think of that Erika?

Erika Flint: I think that's fantastic. And I love using the Date Time Age Regression, especially if clients have recent experiences with whatever's going on in their life. It's right there. It's really bothering them. The feelings are fresh, it's really kind of hot like I Like to say. It's right there. So yeah, absolutely love that technique. Thank you, Cal. As far as the using that though, I think one of the things that we want our students or grads, hypnotist understand is if you ask a general question like how are you feeling in the age regression, they might go off track and answer in a way that doesn't have to do with the original reason, or the original feeling that came up that brought them into seeing you. Right?

Cal Banyan: Yeah, exactly. This is the things we talked about is the difference is how does that make you feel and how are you feeling? So, remember that the age regression no matter how we initiated it, be Time Tunnel or Affect Bridge or Date Time Regression, once we get them back there, then we're finding out what's happening and what they're thinking. The way you feel is directly connected to what you're thinking. So, you say, what's happening, blah, blah, blah, what does that make you think, blah, blah, blah, blah. And how does that make you feel, you see, gives us the emotion that's associated with what's going on and their way of thinking about it. Where if we just take them back, daytime, nighttime indoors, outdoors, alone or with someone, and how do you feel, wow, we could get all kinds of stuff that we could be regressing on fear of heights. And now they're at the beach, and they're excited or they might be happy, or they might even be by the beach by themselves, and they feel lonely, which is a painful feeling. And we don't want to get them now Affect Bridging off of lonely because that has nothing to do with the problem that they came in to see us for. So, we want to really be laser-focused on the emotion or the symptom that they came into work on. So, we don't use to judge them. "Oh, so how are you feeling?" It's, how does that make you feel? Is that what you wanted?

Erika Flint: Absolutely. I think that's really important because it's such an easy fix. And it's so easy to keep in mind. What is that make you think and what does that make you feel? So just keep that in mind when you're doing age regression to keep your client laser being focused on that particular situation, it's a really easy thing to remember and use as a technique when you are doing age regression with your client. So, I just wanted to highlight that as being ... I'm going in advanced language, but Cal this really is the essential language in order to do really highly effective age regression to keep our clients focused on that particular experience that is causing them the problem, right?

Cal Banyan: Right. Now, we're running a little bit long on this episode, but it's really worth it. Some of the things I want to get into really quick, you don't have to write an encyclopedia about this stuff is the other most important thing is you must stay in present tense. Don't use words that are past tense, never use the word remember, because you've gone to all this work to get to five-year-old or seven-year-old or even three-year-old them and then you say something and you say, "Can you remember what happened next?" Well, five or four or three-year-old self doesn't remember it, they're reliving it. And so, what happens is when you say can you remember or please remember, then what happens is that calls in adult aspect of themselves because it is the adult, the person now that can remember. So, you want to stay away from remember, you want to stay away from past tense, you always wanted to go there in your mind with the individual as if it was happening all over again. Anything you want to add to the tense?

Erika Flint: Well, I mean, since you brought it up, it's so important if our clients are speaking in last tense all we have to do it's really easy. We want to model the behavior that we want for our clients. If our client says I was riding my bike. Here's what you say back to them. Something like this. "There you are. You're riding your bike." You just easily change it. You're not going to say to your client, "Don't talk like that," or anything like that, you want your client to feel really good. So "I was riding my bike." "Good, there you are. You're riding your bike. Continue." Right Cal?

Cal Banyan: Beautiful, elegant way to do it. The other thing I want to get in really quick, since we're on the subject is congruent, congruent tone. If you're talking to your client who's regressed to three, you want to have congruent tone and congruent language. You want to use the kind of words and the kind of tone that matches the three-year-old ability to understand and also if three is excited, you want to sound excited. If three-year-old is sad, then you want to talk with the kind of tone you would use when you're talking to a sad three-year-old. If you start sounding all clinical and analytical and using clinical and analytical words, you will pull them out of the regression, and you'll be talking to grown up again. There you go.

Erika Flint: We could probably go on and on with these advanced parts of age regression. I think I have a little bit of your love of age regression and, me too Cal because there's a lot of really amazing things that ... I just love how you have succinctly put these things together for me and my grads and all the other hypnotists to use in session with clients to get really great results for our clients using age regression.

Cal Banyan: Are we done?

Erika Flint: We are done. Yes, thank you everyone for joining today I'm Erika Flint and you can find me at cascadehypnosistraining.com and I hope to see you in class.